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*) wireguard - fixed peer connection using DNS name on IP change;
Οπότε δεν χρειάζονται τα script που λέγαμε.
Απ οτι φαινεται....εχω χασει την εμπιστοσυνη μου ομως
ειχα γραψει στο νημα το ιδιο
https://www.adslgr.com/forum/threads/999728-%CE%A0%CE%B5%CF%81%CE%AF-ROS-%CE%BF-%CE%BB%CF%8C%CE%B3%CE%BF%CF%82?p=7444309#post7444309
Ο πιο σίγουρος δρόμος είναι με resolve ip from dns.
What's new in 7.11beta4 (2023-Jul-05 13:33):
*) bluetooth - added "decode-ad" command for decoding raw Bluetooth payloads (CLI only);
*) bluetooth - added "Peripheral devices" section which displays decoded Eddystone TLM and UID, iBeacon and MikroTik Bluetooth payloads;
*) bridge - added warning when VLAN interface list contains ports that are not bridged;
*) bridge - prevent bridging the VLAN interface created on the same bridge;
*) console - fixed incorrect default value of ":return" command (introduced in v7.11beta2);
*) console - improved stability and responsiveness;
*) container - fixed duplicate image name;
*) dns - improved system stability when processing static DNS entries with specified address-list;
*) ipsec - improved IKE2 rekey process;
*) ipsec - properly check ph2 approval validity when using IKE1 exchange mode;
*) l3hw - changed minimal supported values for "neigh-discovery-interval" and "neigh-keepalive-interval" properties;
*) l3hw - fixed /32 and /128 route offloading after nexthop change;
*) l3hw - fixed incorrect source MAC usage for offloaded bonding interface;
*) l3hw - improved system responsiveness during partial offloading;
*) l3hw - improved system stability;
*) leds - blink red system-led when LTE is not connected to the network on D53 devices;
*) leds - fixed system-led color for "GSM EGPRS" RAT on D53 devices;
*) lte - fixed Dell DW5221E "at-chat" support;
*) lte - only listen to DHCP packets for LTE passtrough interface in auto mode when looking for the host;
*) package - treat disabled packages as enabled during upgrade;
*) profile - added "container" process classifier;
*) profile - properly classify "console" related processes;
*) quickset - correctly apply configuration when using "DHCP Server Range" property;
*) rose-storage - added "scsi-scan" command (CLI only);
*) route - added comment for BFD configuration (CLI only);
*) route - convert BFD timers from milliseconds to microseconds after upgrade;
*) sfp - improved optical QSFP interface handling for 98DX8332, 98DX3257, 98DX4310, 98DX8525 switches;
*) wifiwave2 - fixed "reg-info" information for several countries;
*) wifiwave2 - fixed interface hangs on IPQ6010-based boards (introduced in v7.9);
*) wifiwave2 - rename "reg-info" country argument from "Macedonia" to "North Macedonia";
*) winbox - fixed "Storm Rate" property under "Switch/Port" menu;
*) winbox - fixed BGP affinity display;
*) wireless - ignore EAPOL Logoff frames;
*) x86 - updated e1000 driver;
7.11beta5 changelog:
Changes in this release:
*) bridge - added warning when VLAN interface list contains ports that are not bridged;
*) bth - added "Back To Home" VPN service for 802.11ax devices with wifiwave2 package;
*) console - fixed incorrect date when printing "value-list" with multiple entries;
*) console - improved stability when using fullscreen editor;
*) container - added IPv6 support for VETH interface;
*) container - adjust the ownership of volume mounts that fall outside the container's UID range;
*) hotspot - allow number as a first symbol in the Hotspot server DNS name;
*) lora - added uplink message filtering option using NetID or JoinEUI;
*) qos-hw - keep VLAN priority in packets that are sent from CPU;
*) resource - fixed erroneous CPU usage values;
*) sfp - reduce CPU load due to SFP interface handling for CCR2116, CCR2216, CCR2004-12S+2XS, CRS312, CRS518 devices (introduced in v7.9)
*) webfig - fixed "Connect To" configuration changes for L2TP client;
*) wifiwave2 - automatically add wifi interfaces to appropriate bridge VLAN when wireless clients with new VLAN IDs connect;
*) wifiwave2 - fixed multicast frame delivery (introduced in v7.11beta2);
*) wifiwave2 - fixed registration table statistics (introduced in v7.11beta4);
What's new in 7.11beta6 (2023-Jul-18 14:06):
*) bfd - improved system stability;
*) bth - added "Back To Home" VPN service for ARM, ARM64 and TILE devices;
*) certificate - removed request for "passphrase" property on import;
*) defconf - do not change admin password if resetting with "keep-users=yes";
*) modem - fixed missing sender's last symbol in SMS inbox if the sender is an alphabetic string;
*) ssh - fixed host public key export (introduced in v7.9);
*) tftp - improved file name matching;
What's new in 7.11beta7 (2023-Jul-24 14:45):
*) certificate - allow to import certificate with DNS name constraint;
*) certificate - require CRL presence when using "crl-use=yes" setting;
*) conntrack - fixed "active-ipv4" property;
*) console - added ":convert" command;
*) dhcp-server - fixed setting "bootp-lease-time=lease-time";
*) ike2 - log "reply ignored" as non-debug log message;
*) modem - added initial support for BG77 modem DFOTA firmware update;
*) modem - changed Quectel EC25 portmap to expose DM (diag port), DM channel=0, GPS channel=1;
*) ovpn - do not try to use the "bridge" setting from PPP/Profile, if the OVPN server is used in IP mode (introduced in v7.10);
*) ovpn - improved key renegotiation process;
*) ovpn - include "connect-retry 1" and "reneg-sec" parameters into the OVPN configuration export file;
*) routerboot - increased etherboot bootp timeout to 40s on MIPSBE and MMIPS devices ("/system routerboard upgrade" required);
*) ssh - fixed private key import (introduced in v7.9);
*) user - added "sensitive" policy requirement for SSH key and certificate export;
*) webfig - fixed gray-out italic font for entries after enable;
*) ovpn - do not try to use the "bridge" setting from PPP/Profile, if the OVPN server is used in IP mode (introduced in v7.10);
*) ovpn - improved key renegotiation process;
*) ovpn - include "connect-retry 1" and "reneg-sec" parameters into the OVPN configuration export file;
Ποσα χρονια πανε που δεν μπορουν να φτιαξουν ενα ovpn σωστα...
Μια το ενα μια χαλαει το αλλο.
Ποσα χρονια πανε που δεν μπορουν να φτιαξουν ενα ovpn σωστα...
Ανέκαθεν.
Εφόσον δεν χρησιμοποίησαν το gpl ovpn (ή το commercial του)
και αποφάσισαν να γράψουν τη δική τους υλοποίηση είναι αναμενόμενο.
Που μπορεί να είναι καλύτερα απο κάποιες απόψεις αλλά αυτό είναι πολύ μακροπρόθεσμο.
Προς το παρόν είναι αυτό που είναι.
Αν κάποιος θέλει να στήσει έναν ovpn server σε router θα εξυπηρετηθεί καλύτερα με pfsense/wrt/κλπ.
Νομιζω οτι πλεον κακο τους κανει να ασχολουνται και να μη μπορουν
να το ολοκληρωσουν.
Τουλάχιστον το Wireguard φαίνεται άξιος αντικαταστάτης.
Ποσα χρονια πανε που δεν μπορουν να φτιαξουν ενα ovpn σωστα...
Μια το ενα μια χαλαει το αλλο.
Γνωστή ιστορία.
Τουλάχιστον το Wireguard φαίνεται άξιος αντικαταστάτης
Ναι (με αστερίσκους, τουλάχιστον είναι απλούστερο/γρηγορότερο), αλλά δεν το φτιάχνουν αυτοί :whistle:
Το θετικό είναι ότι εφόσον πλέον είναι στον kernel έχει εξασφαλίσει την ύπαρξη/εξέλιξη του για χρόνια,
οπότε είναι σχετικά safe να σχεδιάσεις μια λύση γύρω απο το wg.
Γενικά, όπου αποφάσισε η mtik να γράψει την δική της υλοποίηση,
τους πήρε χρόνια μέχρι να το στρώσουν (και αναμενόμενο δλδ).
Το νέο bgp το παλεύουν πόσο, 4-5 χρόνια?
Προσωπικά έχω μια σχέση αγάπης-μίσους, σέβομαι τους devs (αυτό που κάνουν δεν είναι εύκολο),
και είναι υπέροχο ότι στα mtik τα έχεις όλα κάτω απο ένα gui/cli σε κοινό config,
και φαινομενικό value/$,
αλλά συναντάς θέματα που σε σκέτο linux απλώς δεν υπάρχουν.
Απ'την άλλη, ένα σωρό σενάρια μπορούν να καλυφθούν με mtik με αστείο κόστος,
και ξέρεις ότι, με τα όποια bugs του, το os θα υποστηρίζεται για χρόνια (βασικά μέχρι να μην μπορεί το hardware πλέον).
Οπότε, ok, έχουν τα θέματα τους, αλλά ο κόσμος είναι καλύτερος με τα mtik.
Έχει και το wg τα θεματάκια του.
Ρίξτε μια ματιά στο ανάλογο θέμα του φόρουμ αυτά που γράφω στο τέλος.
7.11rc1 changelog:
Changes in this release:
*) bridge - fixed MAC learning on "switch-cpu" port with enabled FastPath;
*) bridge - fixed dynamic untagged VLAN management (introduced in v7.11beta5);
*) bth - added "Back To Home" VPN service for ARM, ARM64, and TILE devices;
*) container - fixed IP address in container host file;
*) ethernet - fixed forced half-duplex 10/100 Mbps link speeds on CRS312 device;
*) firewall - improved system stability when using "endpoint-independent-nat";
*) ike2 - improved SA rekeying reply process;
*) lte - added "at-chat" support for Dell DW5829 modem;
*) lte - added "at-chat" support for Fibocom L850-GL modem;
*) lte - added "at-chat" support for SIMCom 8202G modem;
*) lte - added "band" info to the "monitor" command for MBIM modems that support serving cell info reporting over MBIM;
*) lte - fixed LtAP mini default SIM slot "down" changeover to "up" after an upgrade (introduced in v7.10beta1);
*) lte - improved system stability when changing the "radio" state for MBIM modems;
*) sfp - improved Q/SFP interface stability for 98DX8208, 98DX8212, 98DX8332, 98DX3257, 98DX4310, 98DX8525, 98DX3255, 98PX1012 switches;
*) switch - fixed BPDU packet processing on MT7621, MT7531 with HW offloaded vlan-filtering;
*) switch - improved multicast packet forwarding on MT7621;
What's new in 7.11rc2 (2023-Aug-03 10:50):
*) certificate - fixed CRL link to the certificate if generated on an older version (introduced in v7.7);
*) console - improved stability when canceling console actions;
*) ike2 - fixed ECP521 DH group usage (introduced in v7.11 beta1);
*) lte - fixed R11e-LTE6 "EARFCN" reporting format (introduced in v7.11rc1);
*) ssh - fixed SSH key agreement when using ed25519 under server settings;
*) wireguard - fixed peer IPv6 "allowed-address" usage;
What's new in 7.11rc2 (2023-Aug-03 10:50):
*) certificate - fixed CRL link to the certificate if generated on an older version (introduced in v7.7);
*) console - improved stability when canceling console actions;
*) ike2 - fixed ECP521 DH group usage (introduced in v7.11 beta1);
*) lte - fixed R11e-LTE6 "EARFCN" reporting format (introduced in v7.11rc1);
*) ssh - fixed SSH key agreement when using ed25519 under server settings;
*) wireguard - fixed peer IPv6 "allowed-address" usage;
:oneup:
What's new in 7.11rc3 (2023-Aug-09 17:41):
*) certificate - improved CRL download retry handling;
*) ipsec - fixed public key export (introduced in v7.10);
*) ipsec - fixed signature authentication using secp521r1 certificate (introduced in v7.10);
*) lte - fixed R11e-LTE, R11e-LTE6 legacy 2G/3G RAT mode selection;
*) sms - increased wait time for modem startup;
*) switch - fixed BPDU packet processing on MT7621, MT7531 with HW offloaded vlan-filtering;
*) switch - improved multicast packet forwarding on MT7621;
Πρωτη αναφορα για την 7.12
Δεν μου κανει εντυπωση που στον πινακα δεν εχει μεσα 7.8 και 7.9 γιατι ηταν σαβουροεκδοσεις...
https://help.mikrotik.com/docs/display/ROS/Routing+Protocol+Overview
7.11rc4 changelog:
Changes in this release:
*) bth - removed from 7.11 for "stable" release, the development will continue in "beta" 7.12;
*) ike1 - fixed Phase 1 when using aggressive exchange mode (introduced in v7.10);
*) poe-out - advertise LLDP power-mdi-long even if no power allocation was requested (introduced in v7.6);
*) sfp - fixed incorrect optical SFP temperature readings (introduced in v7.10);
What's new in 7.12beta1 (2023-Aug-15 16:14):
*) bgp - fixed typos and missing spaces in log messages;
*) bridge - improved system stability;
*) bth - added "Back To Home" VPN service for ARM, ARM64, and TILE devices;
*) certificate - allow to get and maintain Let's Encrypt certificate in IPv6 environment;
*) certificate - fixed "subject-alt-name" duplicating itself when SCEP is used;
*) certificate - improved certificate validation logging error messages;
*) certificate - log CRL HTTP errors under the "error" logging topic;
*) chr - increased OVA default RAM amount from 160MB to 256MB;
*) console - added ":jobname" command;
*) console - added "as-string" and "as-string-value" properties for "get" command;
*) console - added "terminal/ask" command;
*) console - improved ":totime" and ":tonum" commands and added ":tosec" command for time value manipulation;
*) console - improved stability and responsiveness;
*) console - improved stability when using "special-login";
*) firewall - added "ein-snat" and "ein-dnat" connection NAT state matchers for filter and mangle rules;
*) ike1 - log an error when non-RSA keys are being used;
*) iot - fixed an issue where applying a script to GPIO pin caused GPIO to stop working;
*) iot - fixed behavior where GPIO output state would change on boot;
*) lte - fixed Sierra modem initialization;
*) lte - use more compact logging messages;
*) modbus - added additional security settings for Modbus TCP;
*) mpls - added option to match and set MPLS EXP with bridge and mangle rules;
*) mpls - fixed "propagate-ttl=no" setting;
*) netinstall - added option to discard branding package;
*) ospf - fixed BFD on virtual-link with configured VRF;
*) ovpn - added "tls-auth" option support for imported .ovpn profiles;
*) sfp - fixed missing "rx-power" monitor with certain modules (introduced in v7.10);
*) ssh - added support for user ed25519 public keys;
*) ssh - allow to specify key owner on import;
*) ssh - fixed SSH tunnel performance (introduced in v7.10);
*) supout - added LLDP power to supout.rif;
*) supout - fixed BFD section;
*) system - improved system stability when MD5 checksums are used;
*) tile - improved system stability when using IPv6 queues;
*) wifiwave2 - list APs with a higher maximum data rate as more preferable roaming candidates;
*) winbox - allow to change port numbers for SCTP, DCCP, and UDP-LITE protocols under "IP/Firewall" menus;
Η 7.11 δεν θα περιείχε qr code για εύκολο σεταρισμα του wireguard σε τηλέφωνο ;
Η 7.11 δεν θα περιείχε qr code για εύκολο σεταρισμα του wireguard σε τηλέφωνο ;
Κανονικά ναι αλλά τελικά δεν το έδωσαν.
ΥΓ
Η 7.11 πέρασε σε stable και εδώ μιλάμε για beta/rc
οπότε καλύτερα να γράφεις στο άλλο θέμα.
What's new in 7.12beta3 (2023-Aug-24 12:15):
Changes in this release:
!) ethernet - changed "advertise" and "speed" arguments, and removed "half-duplex" setting under "/interface ethernet" menu;
!) sfp - convert configuration to support new link modes for SFP and QSFP type of interfaces;
*) bgp - fixed "atomic-aggregate" always set in output;
*) bgp - fixed local and remote port settings for BGP connections;
*) bgp - increase "hold-time" limit to 65000;
*) bridge - fixed fast-path forwarding with HW offloaded vlan-filtering (introduced in v7.11);
*) bridge - fixed untagged VLAN entry disable;
*) bridge - fixed vlan-filtering stability with HW and non-HW offloaded ports (introduced in v7.10);
*) bridge - improved vlan-filtering bridge stability with CAPsMAN (introduced in v7.11);
*) bth - added "Back To Home" VPN service for ARM, ARM64, and TILE devices;
*) calea - improved system stability when trying to add rules without the CALEA package;
*) console - added "transform" property for ":convert" command;
*) console - fixed scheduler "on-event" script highlighting when editing;
*) console - improved multi-argument property parsing into array;
*) console - improved stability when editing long scripts;
*) console - show full date and time in scheduler "next-run" property;
*) dhcp - fixed DHCP server and relay related response delays;
*) ethernet - added "supported" and "sfp-supported" values for "monitor" command;
*) interface - added "macvlan" interface support;
*) ipsec - fixed IPSec policy when using modp3072;
*) ipv6 - fixed IPv6 RA delay time from 5s to 500ms according to RFC;
*) ipv6 - send RA and RA deprecate messages out three times instead of just once;
*) log - improved logging for user actions;
*) lte - added at-chat support and increased wait time on modem at-chat for Dell DW5821e, DW5821e-eSIM, DW5829e and DW5829e-eSIM;
*) lte - added SINR reporting for FG621-EA modem;
*) lte - fixed Sierra modem detection for modems with vendor-specific USB descriptors;
*) lte - fixed startup race condition when SIM card is in non-default slot for LtAP mini;
*) netinstall-cli - prioritise interface option over address option;
*) ospf - fixed adding ECMP routes;
*) ospf - fixed OSPFv3 not working with NSSA areas;
*) ospf - fixed parsing of opaque LSAs used by TE;
*) ospf - fixed translated NSSA routes not showing in backbone;
*) port - add support for Huawei MS237h-517;
*) port - expose NMEA/DIAG ports for Dell DW5821e and DW5821e-eSIM;
*) quickset - fixed "LAN" interface list members if configuration does not contain bridge;
*) rip - added BFD support;
*) rip - fixed session not working in VRF;
*) route - fixed gateway after link restart;
*) route - removed deprecated "received-from" property;
*) sfp - improved interface stability for SFP and QSFP types of interfaces;
*) switch - improved switch chip stability for CCR2004-16g-2s+ devices;
*) tile - improved system stability when using queues;
*) traffic-generator - added "priority" property for "inject" command;
*) wifiwave2 - added comment property for registration-table;
*) wifiwave2 - enable changing interface MTU and L2MTU;
*) wifiwave2 - fixed malformed Interworking packet elements;
*) winbox - allow to set multiple addresses and added IPv6 support under "Interface/VETH" menu;
*) wireguard - added "wg-add-client" configuration wizard (CLI only);
*) wireguard - added "wg-export" and "wg-import" functionality (CLI only);
*) wireless - fixed malformed Interworking packet elements;
*) x86 - added support for Mellanox ConnectX-6 Dx NIC;
*) wireguard - added "wg-add-client" configuration wizard (CLI only);
*) wireguard - added "wg-export" and "wg-import" functionality (CLI only);
Ενδιαφέροντα.
Μετρησα 18 fixed που καποια απ αυτα ηταν fixed στις προηγουμενες.
Α ρε Μικροτικ...
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Προσοχη στα 4011 και CCR γιατι πεθαινουν διαβαζω
Προσοχη στα 4011 και CCR γιατι πεθαινουν διαβαζω
Τι εννοείς;
Λαθος διατυπωση..
Διαβαζω
console died so far i can reproduce this on a spare CCR1036 and CRS317 so this is not architecture specific
RB4011 is also affected :( but hapac2 is working
Αλλα η συμβουλη ειναι οχι ακομη γενικα αναβαθμιση σε beta 12
What's new in 7.12beta7 (2023-Sep-13 09:58):
!) ethernet - changed "advertise" and "speed" arguments, and removed "half-duplex" setting under "/interface ethernet" menu;
!) sfp - convert configuration to support new link modes for SFP and QSFP type of interfaces;
*) api - fixed fetching objects with warning option from REST API;
*) bgp - implemented IGP metric sending in BGP messages;
*) bluetooth - use "g" units when decoding MikroTik beacon acceleration on peripheral devices menu;
*) certificate - allow to remove issued certificates when CRL is not used;
*) certificate - fixed certificate auto renewal via SCEP;
*) chr - iavf updated driver to 4.9.1 version;
*) console - improved randomness for ":rndstr" and ":rndnum" commands;
*) console - improved stability when using "special-login";
*) console - improved system stability through RoMON session;
*) console - improved system stability when using autocomplete;
*) dhcp - fixed DHCP server "authoritative" and "delay-threshold" settings (introduced in v7.12beta3);
*) ipsec - fixed collisions while rekeying;
*) ipsec - fixed Diffie-Hellman public value encoding size;
*) ipsec - fixed minor typo in logs;
*) ipsec - reduce disk writes when started without active configuration;
*) ipv6 - send RA and RA deprecate messages out three times instead of just once;
*) l3hw - improved system stability during IPv6 route offloading;
*) leds - added "dark-mode" functionality for RBwAPG-5HacD2HnD;
*) leds - added "wireless-status" and "wireless-signal-strength" configuration types for wifiwave2 interfaces;
*) log - improved logging for user actions;
*) lte - fixed 5G data-class reporting for Chateau 5G;
*) lte - fixed APN authentification in multi APN setup for R11e-LTE6;
*) lte - fixed IPv6 prefix for MBIM modems in multi-apn setup when IPv6 APN used as not first APN;
*) lte - fixed RSSI for FG621-EA modem to show the correct value;
*) lte - fixed startup race condition when SIM card is in "up" slot for LtAP mini;
*) mpls - improved FastPath next-hop selection hash algorithm;
*) netinstall-cli - added empty configuration option "-e";
*) netwatch - decreased "thr-tcp-conn-time" maximum limit to 30 seconds;
*) ovpn - improved system stability;
*) pimsm - improved system stability;
*) qsfp - added 50Gbps rate support for QSFP28 interfaces;
*) qsfp - fixed sub-interface EEPROM monitor data output (introduced in v7.12beta3);
*) qsfp - improved auto link detection for 100G CWDM4 modules and AOC cables (introduced in v7.12beta3);
*) qsfp - use sub-interface configuration for establishing link (for 40Gbps and 100Gbps links, all sub-interfaces must be enabled);
*) routerboard - added "reset-button" support for RB800 and RB1100 devices;
*) ssh - improved connection stability when pasting large chunks of text into console;
*) supout - added interface list members section;
*) switch - improved resource allocation for 98DX224S, 98DX226S, and 98DX3236 switch chips;
*) traffic-generator - fixed traffic-generator on CHR and x86;
*) usb - added support for RTL8153 USB ethernet on ARM, ARM64 and x86;
*) vrf - limit maximum VRFs to 1024;
*) vxlan - improved system stability for Tile devices;
*) webfig - fixed "Days" property configuration change under "IP/Firewall" menu;
*) webfig - fixed timezone for interface "Last Link Down/Up Time";
*) webfig - improved Webfig performance and responsiveness;
*) webfig - try to re-establish connection after disconnect;
*) wifiwave2 - added an alternative QoS priority assignment mechanism based on IP DSCP (CLI only);
*) wifiwave2 - added station-bridge interface mode (CLI only);
*) wifiwave2 - do not show default "l2mtu" on compact export;
*) wifiwave2 - fixed PTK renewal for interfaces in station mode;
*) wifiwave2 - fixed sniffer command not receiving any QoS null function frames when using 802.11ax radios;
*) wifiwave2 - fixed untagged VLAN 1 entry when using "vlan-id" setting together with vlan-filtering bridge;
*) wifiwave2 - fixed warning on CAP devices when radar detected;
*) wifiwave2 - implemented an option to transmit IP multicast packets as unicasts (CLI only);
*) wifiwave2 - improved compliance with regulatory requirements;
*) wifiwave2 - make 4-way handshake procedure more robust when acting as supplicant (client);
*) winbox - added "Comment" under "Routing/BFD/Configuration" menu;
*) winbox - added "g" flag under "IPv6/Routes" menu;
*) winbox - added "Name Format" property under "WifiWave2/Provisioning" menu;
*) winbox - changed "MBR Partition Table" checkbox to unchecked by default under "System/Disks/Format-Drive" menu;
*) winbox - fixed "Address" property under "WifiWave2/Remote-CAP" menu;
*) winbox - fixed "Group Key Update" maximum value under "WifiWave2/Security" menu;
*) winbox - fixed entry numbering and ordering under "WifiWave2/Provisioning" menu;
*) winbox - fixed minor typos;
*) wireguard - allow to specify client settings under peer menu which will be included in configuration file and QR code;
*) wireguard - generate Wireguard peer keys and preshared-key automatically, if value is specified but is not base64 string;
*) wireguard - removed "wg-add-client" configuration wizard (introduced in v7.12beta3);
*) wireless - added more "radius-mac-format" options (CLI only);
*) www - fixed allowed address setting for REST API users;
*) www - fixed fragmented POST data for SCEP service;
*) x86 - i40e updated driver to 2.23.17 version;
*) x86 - igc updated driver to 5.10.194 version;
*) x86 - ixgbe updated driver to 5.19.6 version;
*) x86 - Realtek r8169 updated driver;
*) wireguard - generate Wireguard peer keys and preshared-key automatically, if value is specified but is not base64 string;
Αυτό υπάγεται στο "back to home" feature που έλεγαν;
Επίσης σκοπεύουν να φτιάξουν GUI interface για CAPsman σε wifiwave2;
BTW, χρησιμοποιεί κανείς beta ;
Beta εβαζα μεχρι πριν κανα μηνα.
Πηρα αποφαση να αφηνω να περασει κανενας μηνας για να την βλεπω σε ενα Mikrotik που εχω για δοκιμες
αλλα δεν προλαβαινω που λεει ο λογος....
Για το feature που ρωτας νομιζω πως οχι δεν αφορα το back 2 home γιατι αν θυμαμαι καλα δεν φτιαχνει preshared key.
Για το gui που ρωτας δε γνωριζω.
What's new in 7.12beta9 (2023-Sep-25 15:19
!) ethernet - changed "advertise" and "speed" arguments, and removed "half-duplex" setting under "/interface ethernet" menu;
!) health - removed "temperature" health entry from boards, where it was the same as "sfp-temperature";
!) sfp - convert configuration to support new link modes for SFP and QSFP type of interfaces;
*) bfd - improved system stability;
*) bgp - fixed "input.filter-chain" argument selection in VPN configuration;
*) bgp - improved logging;
*) bluetooth - added basic support for connecting to BLE peripheral devices;
*) console - export required properties with default values;
*) console - improved system stability;
*) console - restrict permissions to "read,write,reboot,ftp,romon" for scripts executed by DHCP, Hotspot, PPP and Traffic-Monitor services;
*) l3hw - fixed IPv6 route suppression;
*) led - fixed "interface-status" configuration for virtual interfaces;
*) lora - added LNS protocol support;
*) lte - changed R11e-LTE ARP behavior to NoArp;
*) lte - fixed sub-interface auto-removal in multiple APN setups;
*) lte - show correct data class when connected to 5G SA network;
*) mqtt - added on-message feature for subscribed topics;
*) mqtt - added parallel-scripts-limit parameter to set maximum allowed number of scripts executed at the same time;
*) mqtt - added wildcard topic subscription support;
*) netinstall - added option to discard branding package;
*) netinstall - display package filename in GUI Descption column if package description is not specified;
*) netinstall-cli - added option to discard branding package;
*) netinstall-cli - allow ".rsc" script filenames;
*) poe-out - driver optimization for AF/AT controlled boards;
*) poe-out - fixed rare CRS328 poe-out menu and poe-out port config loss after reboot;
*) route - added "single-process" configuration setting, enabled by default on devices with 64MB or less RAM memory (CLI only);
*) route - added "suppress-hw-offload" setting for IPv6 routes;
*) route - reverse community "delete" and "filter" command behavior;
*) routerboard - added "reset-button" support for RB800, RB1100 and RB1100AHx2 devices;
*) sfp - fixed 25Gbps link with FEC91 (introduced in v7.12beta7);
*) snmp - changed "mtxrGaugeValue" type to integer;
*) switch - fixed packet forwarding between Ethernet ports for CRS354 switches (introduced in v7.12beta7);
*) webfig - fixed timezone for interface "Last Link Down/Up Time";
*) wifiwave2 - correctly add interface to specified "datapath.interface-list";
*) wifiwave2 - fixed re-connection failures for 802.11ax interfaces in station mode;
*) wifiwave2 - limit L2MTU to 1560 until a fix is available for a bug causing interfaces to fail transmitting larger frames than that;
*) wifiwave2 - log more information regarding authentication failures;
*) winbox - added "Host Key Type" setting under "IP/SSH" menu;
*) winbox - added "Key Owner" setting under "System/User/SSH Keys" and "System/User/SSH Private Keys" menus;
*) winbox - added "Remote Min Tx" parameter under "Routing/BFD/Session" menu;
*) winbox - added "Startup Delay" setting under "Tools/Netwatch" menu;
*) winbox - added "Use BFD" setting under "Routing/RIP/Interface-Template" menu;
*) winbox - added MQTT subscription menu;
*) winbox - allow to specify server as DNS name under "Tools/Email" menu;
*) winbox - rename "DSCP" setting to "DSCP (+ECN)" under "Tools/Traffic-Generator/Packet-Templates" menu;
*) winbox - rename "Name" setting to "List" under "IP,IPv6/Firewall/Address-List" menu;
*) winbox - rename "Password" button to "Change Now" under "System/Password" menu;
*) wireguard - added "auto" parameter for "private-key" and "presharde-key" parameters;
*) wireguard - request public or private key to be specified in order to create peer;
*) x86 - igb updated driver to 5.14.16 version;
*) x86 - igbvf updated driver from in-tree Linux kernel;
*) x86 - updated latest available pci.ids;
7.12 RC is out
https://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?t=200328
Change log:
What's new in 7.12rc1 (2023-Oct-05 08:46):
!) ethernet - changed "advertise" and "speed" arguments, and removed "half-duplex" setting under "/interface ethernet" menu;
!) sfp - convert configuration to support new link modes for SFP and QSFP type of interfaces;
*) bfd - fixed sessions when setting VRF;
*) bfd - improved system stability;
*) console - improved system stability;
*) email - rename "address" property to "server";
*) flash - show more accurate "total-hdd-space" resource property;
*) gps - expose GPS port for Quectel EM12-G (vendor-id="0x2c7c", device-id="0x0512");
*) ike1 - fixed invalid key length on phase1 negotiation;
*) interface - added "macvlan" interface support;
*) l3hw - prioritize local IP addresses over the respective /32 and /128 routes;
*) leds - fixed "wireless-status" and "wireless-signal-strength" for wireless interfaces (introduced in v7.12beta7);
*) netinstall-cli - updated configuration option description;
*) pimsm - improved system stability;
*) poe-out - improved "auto" mode for devices with single PoE-out port;
*) qsfp - improved auto link detection for AOC cables;
*) route - added "single-process" configuration setting, enabled by default on devices with 64MB or less RAM memory;
*) route - added "suppress-hw-offload" setting for IPv6 routes;
*) sfp - added 5Gbps rate for SFP+ interface on 98DX224S, 98DX226S, and 98DX3236 switch chips;
*) sfp - fixed failed auto-negotiation for RB5009 devices (introduced in v7.12beta3);
*) sfp - improved system stability with certain modules for 98DX224S, 98DX226S, 98DX3236, 98DX8216 and 98DX8208 switch chips;
*) tftp - fixed empty file name matching;
*) webfig - fixed interface addition (introduced in v7.12beta7);
*) wifiwave2 - added an alternative QoS priority assignment mechanism based on IP DSCP;
*) wifiwave2 - added station-bridge interface mode;
*) wifiwave2 - implemented an option to transmit IP multicast packets as unicasts;
*) wifiwave2 - use CAPsMAN's "datapath.vlan-id" on CAP for bridge port "pvid";
*) winbox - added "Addresses" property under "Routing/BFD/Configuration" menu;
*) winbox - added "BUS" property for USB Power Reset button for LtAP-2HnD and CCR1072;
*) winbox - added "USB" button under "System/RouterBOARD" menu for LtAP-2HnD;
*) winbox - added Enable/Disable button under "Routing/RIP/Static Neighbors" menu;
*) winbox - added missing properties under "WifiWave2" menu;
*) winbox - do not show "F" flag for disabled entries under "IP/Routes" menu;
*) winbox - fixed "Do" property under "Routing/Filters/Select Rule" menu;
*) winbox - fixed "Range" property under "Routing/Filters/Num Set" menu;
*) winbox - fixed "Switch" menu for CCR2004-16G-2S+;
*) winbox - improved support for certain properties under "WifiWave2/Interworking Profiles" menu;
*) winbox - show "unknown" value for "FS" property under "System/Disks" menu if the data is not available;
*) wireguard - added "auto" and "none" parameter for "private-key" and "presharde-key" parameters;
*) wireguard - allow to specify client settings under peer menu which will be included in configuration file and QR code;
Other changes since v7.11:
!) health - removed "temperature" health entry from boards, where it was the same as "sfp-temperature";
*) api - fixed fetching objects with warning option from REST API;
*) bgp - fixed "atomic-aggregate" always set in output;
*) bgp - fixed "input.filter-chain" argument selection in VPN configuration;
*) bgp - fixed local and remote port settings for BGP connections;
*) bgp - fixed typos and missing spaces in log messages;
*) bgp - implemented IGP metric sending in BGP messages;
*) bgp - improved logging;
*) bgp - increase "hold-time" limit to 65000;
*) bluetooth - added basic support for connecting to BLE peripheral devices;
*) bluetooth - use "g" units when decoding MikroTik beacon acceleration on peripheral devices menu;
*) bridge - fixed fast-path forwarding with HW offloaded vlan-filtering (introduced in v7.11);
*) bridge - fixed untagged VLAN entry disable;
*) bridge - fixed vlan-filtering stability with HW and non-HW offloaded ports (introduced in v7.10);
*) bridge - improved system stability;
*) bridge - improved vlan-filtering bridge stability with CAPsMAN (introduced in v7.11);
*) calea - improved system stability when trying to add rules without the CALEA package;
*) certificate - allow to get and maintain Let's Encrypt certificate in IPv6 environment;
*) certificate - allow to remove issued certificates when CRL is not used;
*) certificate - fixed "subject-alt-name" duplicating itself when SCEP is used;
*) certificate - fixed certificate auto renewal via SCEP;
*) certificate - improved certificate validation logging error messages;
*) certificate - log CRL HTTP errors under the "error" logging topic;
*) chr - iavf updated driver to 4.9.1 version;
*) chr - increased OVA default RAM amount from 160MB to 256MB;
*) console - added ":jobname" command;
*) console - added "as-string" and "as-string-value" properties for "get" command;
*) console - added "terminal/ask" command;
*) console - added "transform" property for ":convert" command;
*) console - export required properties with default values;
*) console - fixed scheduler "on-event" script highlighting when editing;
*) console - improved ":totime" and ":tonum" commands and added ":tonsec" command for time value manipulation;
*) console - improved multi-argument property parsing into array;
*) console - improved randomness for ":rndstr" and ":rndnum" commands;
*) console - improved stability and responsiveness;
*) console - improved stability when editing long scripts;
*) console - improved stability when using "special-login";
*) console - improved system stability through RoMON session;
*) console - improved system stability when using autocomplete;
*) console - restrict permissions to "read,write,reboot,ftp,romon,test" for scripts executed by DHCP, Hotspot, PPP and Traffic-Monitor services;
*) console - show full date and time in scheduler "next-run" property;
*) dhcp - fixed DHCP server "authoritative" and "delay-threshold" settings (introduced in v7.12beta3);
*) dhcp - fixed DHCP server and relay related response delays;
*) ethernet - added "supported" and "sfp-supported" values for "monitor" command;
*) firewall - added "ein-snat" and "ein-dnat" connection NAT state matchers for filter and mangle rules;
*) ike1 - log an error when non-RSA keys are being used;
*) ike2 - improved rekey collision handling;
*) iot - fixed an issue where applying a script to GPIO pin caused GPIO to stop working;
*) iot - fixed behavior where GPIO output state would change on boot;
*) ipsec - fixed Diffie-Hellman public value encoding size;
*) ipsec - fixed IPSec policy when using modp3072;
*) ipsec - fixed minor typo in logs;
*) ipsec - reduce disk writes when started without active configuration;
*) ipv6 - fixed IPv6 RA delay time from 5s to 500ms according to RFC;
*) ipv6 - send RA and RA deprecate messages out three times instead of just once;
*) l3hw - fixed IPv6 route suppression;
*) l3hw - improved system stability during IPv6 route offloading;
*) led - fixed "interface-status" configuration for virtual interfaces;
*) leds - added "dark-mode" functionality for RBwAPG-5HacD2HnD;
*) leds - added "wireless-status" and "wireless-signal-strength" configuration types for wifiwave2 interfaces;
*) log - improved logging for user actions;
*) lora - added LNS protocol support;
*) lte - added at-chat support and increased wait time on modem at-chat for Dell DW5821e, DW5821e-eSIM, DW5829e and DW5829e-eSIM;
*) lte - added SINR reporting for FG621-EA modem;
*) lte - changed R11e-LTE ARP behavior to NoArp;
*) lte - fixed 5G data-class reporting for Chateau 5G;
*) lte - fixed APN authentification in multi APN setup for R11e-LTE6;
*) lte - fixed IPv6 prefix for MBIM modems in multi-apn setup when IPv6 APN used as not first APN;
*) lte - fixed RSSI for FG621-EA modem to show the correct value;
*) lte - fixed Sierra modem detection for modems with vendor-specific USB descriptors;
*) lte - fixed Sierra modem initialization;
*) lte - fixed startup race condition when SIM card is in "up" slot for LtAP mini;
*) lte - fixed sub-interface auto-removal in multiple APN setups;
*) lte - show correct data class when connected to 5G SA network;
*) lte - use more compact logging messages;
*) modbus - added additional security settings for Modbus TCP;
*) mpls - added option to match and set MPLS EXP with bridge and mangle rules;
*) mpls - fixed "propagate-ttl=no" setting;
*) mpls - improved FastPath next-hop selection hash algorithm;
*) mqtt - added on-message feature for subscribed topics;
*) mqtt - added parallel-scripts-limit parameter to set maximum allowed number of scripts executed at the same time;
*) mqtt - added wildcard topic subscription support;
*) netinstall - added option to discard branding package;
*) netinstall - display package filename in GUI Description column if package description is not specified;
*) netinstall-cli - added empty configuration option "-e";
*) netinstall-cli - added option to discard branding package;
*) netinstall-cli - allow ".rsc" script filenames;
*) netinstall-cli - prioritise interface option over address option;
*) netwatch - decreased "thr-tcp-conn-time" maximum limit to 30 seconds;
*) ospf - fixed adding ECMP routes;
*) ospf - fixed BFD on virtual-link with configured VRF;
*) ospf - fixed OSPFv3 not working with NSSA areas;
*) ospf - fixed parsing of opaque LSAs used by TE;
*) ospf - fixed translated NSSA routes not showing in backbone;
*) ovpn - added "tls-auth" option support for imported .ovpn profiles;
*) ovpn - improved system stability;
*) poe-out - driver optimization for AF/AT controlled boards;
*) poe-out - fixed rare CRS328 poe-out menu and poe-out port config loss after reboot;
*) port - add support for Huawei MS237h-517;
*) port - expose NMEA/DIAG ports for Dell DW5821e and DW5821e-eSIM;
*) qsfp - added 50Gbps rate support for QSFP28 interfaces;
*) qsfp - fixed sub-interface EEPROM monitor data output (introduced in v7.12beta3);
*) qsfp - improved auto link detection for 100G CWDM4 modules and AOC cables (introduced in v7.12beta3);
*) qsfp - use sub-interface configuration for establishing link (for 40Gbps and 100Gbps links, all sub-interfaces must be enabled);
*) quickset - fixed "LAN" interface list members if configuration does not contain bridge;
*) rip - added BFD support;
*) rip - fixed session not working in VRF;
*) route - fixed gateway after link restart;
*) route - removed deprecated "received-from" property;
*) route - reverse community "delete" and "filter" command behavior;
*) routerboard - added "reset-button" support for RB800, RB1100 and RB1100AHx2 devices;
*) sfp - fixed 25Gbps link with FEC91 (introduced in v7.12beta7);
*) sfp - fixed missing "rx-power" monitor with certain modules (introduced in v7.10);
*) sfp - improved interface stability for SFP and QSFP types of interfaces;
*) snmp - changed "mtxrGaugeValue" type to integer;
*) ssh - added support for user ed25519 public keys;
*) ssh - allow to specify key owner on import;
*) ssh - fixed SSH tunnel performance (introduced in v7.10);
*) ssh - improved connection stability when pasting large chunks of text into console;
*) supout - added interface list members section;
*) supout - added LLDP power to supout.rif;
*) supout - fixed BFD section;
*) switch - fixed packet forwarding between Ethernet ports for CRS354 switches (introduced in v7.12beta7);
*) switch - improved resource allocation for 98DX224S, 98DX226S, and 98DX3236 switch chips;
*) switch - improved switch chip stability for CCR2004-16g-2s+ devices;
*) system - improved system stability when MD5 checksums are used;
*) tile - improved system stability when using queues;
*) traffic-generator - added "priority" property for "inject" command;
*) traffic-generator - fixed traffic-generator on CHR and x86;
*) usb - added support for RTL8153 USB ethernet on ARM, ARM64 and x86;
*) vrf - limit maximum VRFs to 1024;
*) vxlan - improved system stability for Tile devices;
*) webfig - fixed "Days" property configuration change under "IP/Firewall" menu;
*) webfig - fixed timezone for interface "Last Link Down/Up Time";
*) webfig - improved Webfig performance and responsiveness;
*) webfig - try to re-establish connection after disconnect;
*) wifiwave2 - added comment property for registration-table;
*) wifiwave2 - correctly add interface to specified "datapath.interface-list";
*) wifiwave2 - do not show default "l2mtu" on compact export;
*) wifiwave2 - enable changing interface MTU and L2MTU;
*) wifiwave2 - fixed malformed Interworking packet elements;
*) wifiwave2 - fixed PTK renewal for interfaces in station mode;
*) wifiwave2 - fixed re-connection failures for 802.11ax interfaces in station mode;
*) wifiwave2 - fixed sniffer command not receiving any QoS null function frames when using 802.11ax radios;
*) wifiwave2 - fixed untagged VLAN 1 entry when using "vlan-id" setting together with vlan-filtering bridge;
*) wifiwave2 - fixed warning on CAP devices when radar detected;
*) wifiwave2 - improved compliance with regulatory requirements;
*) wifiwave2 - limit L2MTU to 1560 until a fix is available for a bug causing interfaces to fail transmitting larger frames than that;
*) wifiwave2 - list APs with a higher maximum data rate as more preferable roaming candidates;
*) wifiwave2 - log more information regarding authentication failures;
*) wifiwave2 - make 4-way handshake procedure more robust when acting as supplicant (client);
*) winbox - added "Comment" under "Routing/BFD/Configuration" menu;
*) winbox - added "g" flag under "IPv6/Routes" menu;
*) winbox - added "Host Key Type" setting under "IP/SSH" menu;
*) winbox - added "Key Owner" setting under "System/User/SSH Keys" and "System/User/SSH Private Keys" menus;
*) winbox - added "Name Format" property under "WifiWave2/Provisioning" menu;
*) winbox - added "Remote Min Tx" parameter under "Routing/BFD/Session" menu;
*) winbox - added "Startup Delay" setting under "Tools/Netwatch" menu;
*) winbox - added "Use BFD" setting under "Routing/RIP/Interface-Template" menu;
*) winbox - added MQTT subscription menu;
*) winbox - allow to change port numbers for SCTP, DCCP, and UDP-LITE protocols under "IP/Firewall" menus;
*) winbox - allow to set multiple addresses and added IPv6 support under "Interface/VETH" menu;
*) winbox - allow to specify server as DNS name under "Tools/Email" menu;
*) winbox - changed "MBR Partition Table" checkbox to unchecked by default under "System/Disks/Format-Drive" menu;
*) winbox - fixed "Address" property under "WifiWave2/Remote-CAP" menu;
*) winbox - fixed "Group Key Update" maximum value under "WifiWave2/Security" menu;
*) winbox - fixed entry numbering and ordering under "WifiWave2/Provisioning" menu;
*) winbox - fixed minor typos;
*) winbox - rename "DSCP" setting to "DSCP (+ECN)" under "Tools/Traffic-Generator/Packet-Templates" menu;
*) winbox - rename "Name" setting to "List" under "IP,IPv6/Firewall/Address-List" menu;
*) winbox - rename "Password" button to "Change Now" under "System/Password" menu;
*) wireguard - added "wg-export" and "wg-import" functionality (CLI only);
*) wireguard - request public or private key to be specified in order to create peer;
*) wireless - added more "radius-mac-format" options (CLI only);
*) wireless - fixed malformed Interworking packet elements;
*) www - fixed allowed address setting for REST API users;
*) www - fixed fragmented POST data for SCEP service;
*) x86 - added support for Mellanox ConnectX-6 Dx NIC;
*) x86 - i40e updated driver to 2.23.17 version;
*) x86 - igb updated driver to 5.14.16 version;
*) x86 - igbvf updated driver from in-tree Linux kernel;
*) x86 - igc updated driver to 5.10.194 version;
*) x86 - ixgbe updated driver to 5.19.6 version;
*) x86 - Realtek r8169 updated driver;
*) x86 - updated latest available pci.ids;
*) email - rename "address" property to "server";
Κάτι τέτοιες αλλαγές σε κάνουν να ψάχνεσαι.
7.12rc2 changelog:
*) bridge - fixed bridge host ageing timeout behaviour (introduced in 7.12beta8);
*) led - fixed CRS312 Ethernet port LED functionality (introduced in 7.12rc1);
*) led - fixed 5G modem mobile network category LED colours;
*) ospf - fixed OSPFv3 authentication header length calculation;
*) pimsm - fixed BSR update process;
*) pimsm - fixed UIB update process;
*) qsfp - fixed incorrect QSFP temperature readings in negative temperature;
*) route - fixed VRF functionality on devices where "single-core" routing process mode is enabled (introduced in 7.12rc1);
*) sfp - fixed link establishment after forced speed changes for RB4011 and CCR2004-16G-2S+ devices (introduced in 7.12rc1);
*) sfp - fixed link establishment with passive copper cables for RB4011 and CCR2004-16G-2S+ devices (introduced in 7.12rc1);
Αντε με το καλο και η stable σε λιγο...:oneup:
Αντε με το καλο και η stable σε λιγο...:oneup:
Έχουμε κάποια μεγάλη αλλαγή που περιμένουμε;
Οχι δε ξερω κατι παραπανω.
Απλα περιμενω να τελειωσει το γαϊτανάκι του βάλε βγαλε το
Back to Home VPN καθε τοσο.
What's new in 7.12rc4 (2023-Oct-27 11:51)
*) lte - fixed FG621-EA possible timeouts during firmware upgrade;
*) netinstall-cli - fixed "-k" key option (introduced in v7.12beta7);
*) poe-out - removed "auto" mode support for L009 devices;
*) routerboard - fixed "reset-button" support for wAP ac and wAP R ac devices;
*) sfp - fixed incorrect link speed when changing link modes (introduced in v7.12beta3);
*) system - fixed process multithreading (introduced in v7.9);
*) system - improved system stability during booting for L009 devices;
*) system - fixed process multithreading (introduced in v7.9);
Τι να θέλει να πει; :hmm:
Τι να θέλει να πει; :hmm:
Η αληθεια ειναι οτι το ιδιο ακριβως σκεφτηκα κι εγω.
Εχω μια υποψια για τις x64 cpu αλλα μου ειναι δυσκολο να τσεκαρω αυτες τις μερες.
Αλλα απαντησε ο Strods
Since version 7.9 few processes were not working properly and could have caused an extra load on single CPU core, compared to older versions. That was caused due to the fact that parallel processes were not started as separate tasks. For example, this did affect SSL processes, certificate management processes, PPP tunnels, etc.
Kind of a classical "single core stuck on 100%" or "process X is being handled only by a single CPU core" problems.
For example, simple traffic processing was not affected.
Εμένα πήγε το μυαλό μου στο θέμα της χρήσης μόνο ενός core στο pppoe στους arm επεξεργαστές (όχι τους arm64).
What's new in 7.12rc5 (2023-Nov-02 15:17):
*) bth - added "Back To Home" VPN service for ARM, ARM64, and TILE devices;
*) console - display "End-User License Agreement" prompt after configuration reset;
*) ethernet - fixed default "advertise" property for CRS310-8G+2S+ device (introduced in v7.12beta3);
*) sfp - fixed 1Gbps advertise for L009 devices (introduced in v7.12beta3);
*) sfp - fixed 1Gbps advertise using SFP+ or SFP28 modules in SFP interface (introduced in v7.12beta3);
*) sfp - improved system stability with certain modules for 98DX224S, 98DX226S, 98DX3236, 98DX8216 and 98DX8208 switch chips;
Η επομενη θα ειναι η stable πιστευω
Ατελείωτες οι rc για την 12.
Λογικα θα βγει η stable χωρις to ΒΤΗ μεσα , μπορει κι αυριο και θα ειναι η ιδια πιστευω
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